Tuesday, June 23, 2009
Sin's blog of how an awkward scene can actually make priceless moment... At least I hope.
Or another title could be: Writing a sex scene is about as awkward as getting stuck in your t-shirt as you try to pull it over your head while your boobs flop in the night air and you can hear laughing across the room.
Or, you have a new boyfriend and you see a movie that is so funny you snort while you're laughing. And not the pretty type of snorting, but the kind that makes him get out of his chair and not come back. Nor return your phone calls.
And also, how you can kill two challenges with one pen. My 500 words (Yes, yes!! I did it! I wrote more than 500 words this weekend! Get the smelling salts, I think Ter passed out on me.) In my defense, Hellion threatened me. (You think I missed that in Friday's comments, didn't you?)
This week's influential music is: "Pain" Three Days Grace- One X
Random music for Hal: "Curse of the Broken Hearted" Papercut Massacre- If These Scars Could Talk
I met Hellion on Saturday to partake in a movie (The Proposal- hilariousness wrapped up in a romantic comedy package). After the movie, Hellion and I walked to our cars, which were neatly parked side by side after she tore into the parking like a bat out of hell. (I say that affectionately, Hellie, because you know I adore you, but you drive like the Mad Hatter. And I always imagine you as an evil laughing pirate as you drive the blue beast attempting to take out those annoying bystanders.)
Anyway, Hellion and I discussed strip clubs.
I'm pretty sure Hellion's never been in one. I could be wrong. She is a bit of a wild child. She's writing something that has a strip club in it. We discussed the merits would be of what characters could see what and where. We discussed about lap dances and whether they are in private rooms.
When I got home, I made eyes at Mattycakes, then cornered him and asked about strip clubs and what goes on. The look on his face was priceless. *laughing* Bless his heart. I can tell by the look in his eyes, he sometimes rethinks his decision to make me a permanent fixture. It's okay though because he's a fountain of naughty information that I need and I'm not afraid to ask and hear the truth.
Mattycakes confirmed that it depends on the city. (And now in my own words) Like maybe in smaller towns, low key lap dances are done out on the floor and around the stages and the hands on stuff is done in a private room. In bigger and better clubs, it sometimes is done all out in the open. So it's safe to say, Hellie, that in a place like Vegas, it might be no holds barred out on the floor. Which means, the main character we discussed getting the lap dance in the back could be getting it out on the floor and all hell breaks loose when character G comes through the door and spies character A and character L having a good time.
After speaking to the resident male of the household, I'm feeling a little left out. Hellion, it's like we're living in the 1800's when women were sheltered from male social clubs and it was immoral and improper for "ladies" to go there because of our feminine sensibilities. It's not like we couldn't go to one and scope it out.
*crickets chirping*
Okay, okay, okay. I've been to one. Don't act like you're surprised.
Though, using my imagination for such scenes is so much more fun, and a lot cleaner in my mind. I have a pretty vivid imagination and I don't need more nightmares than I already have on rotation.
I've been planning a strip scene for Sadie for years now. I know- that statement smacks of plotting and I don't plot. Since Sadie lacks emotional intimacy and hates people invading her personal space, I thought it would be great to show Sadie you don't always get put into situations where your fears are easily avoided.
Sadie puts up with Ruiz being in her kitchen butt naked in the first book. She closes up when he kisses her and locks herself in her bedroom. Only because she's fearful of losing her ability to keep everyone shut out. She's afraid to care. But what happens if she's put into the situation she can't run from? She could run but if she does, she could lose the only lead she has on finding her half-sister. The main objective is to make it a "do or die" situation. And I do love writing those. Kiki sends Ash to keep an eye on her skittish cousin, Sadie, and there ends up being a whole lot there between them in this scene. Even though Ash swears there is nothing between them- he thinks she's a whole dose of annoying and too stubborn for her own good- he's drawn to her. In his character arc I'm hoping to make Ash sensitive to emotional change, and Sadie has a lot of emotional issues. Due to, well, a lot of emotional heartache in her past.
The reason for all of this is- I want to teach Sadie a lesson about herself. And in life, we often miss the point of those lessons on a daily basis. We forget to look inside ourselves for the answer and forget to grow from the experience, choosing instead to close it off and try to forget. Writing is about character growth and the ending. What happens along the way is just a part of the adventure. I want her to open herself up and I want her to grow. If she remains in her cocoon, she'll never have wings and that's one of life's biggest regrets. You can't be scared to stumble along the way.
So today let's discuss awkward moments and how your character(s) grow from such ordeals. If you don't write, tell us a little bit about a character in a book you've read that has gone through lots of awkward moments. What's your favorite?
Or, you have a new boyfriend and you see a movie that is so funny you snort while you're laughing. And not the pretty type of snorting, but the kind that makes him get out of his chair and not come back. Nor return your phone calls.
And also, how you can kill two challenges with one pen. My 500 words (Yes, yes!! I did it! I wrote more than 500 words this weekend! Get the smelling salts, I think Ter passed out on me.) In my defense, Hellion threatened me. (You think I missed that in Friday's comments, didn't you?)
This week's influential music is: "Pain" Three Days Grace- One X
Random music for Hal: "Curse of the Broken Hearted" Papercut Massacre- If These Scars Could Talk
I met Hellion on Saturday to partake in a movie (The Proposal- hilariousness wrapped up in a romantic comedy package). After the movie, Hellion and I walked to our cars, which were neatly parked side by side after she tore into the parking like a bat out of hell. (I say that affectionately, Hellie, because you know I adore you, but you drive like the Mad Hatter. And I always imagine you as an evil laughing pirate as you drive the blue beast attempting to take out those annoying bystanders.)Anyway, Hellion and I discussed strip clubs.
I'm pretty sure Hellion's never been in one. I could be wrong. She is a bit of a wild child. She's writing something that has a strip club in it. We discussed the merits would be of what characters could see what and where. We discussed about lap dances and whether they are in private rooms.
When I got home, I made eyes at Mattycakes, then cornered him and asked about strip clubs and what goes on. The look on his face was priceless. *laughing* Bless his heart. I can tell by the look in his eyes, he sometimes rethinks his decision to make me a permanent fixture. It's okay though because he's a fountain of naughty information that I need and I'm not afraid to ask and hear the truth.
Mattycakes confirmed that it depends on the city. (And now in my own words) Like maybe in smaller towns, low key lap dances are done out on the floor and around the stages and the hands on stuff is done in a private room. In bigger and better clubs, it sometimes is done all out in the open. So it's safe to say, Hellie, that in a place like Vegas, it might be no holds barred out on the floor. Which means, the main character we discussed getting the lap dance in the back could be getting it out on the floor and all hell breaks loose when character G comes through the door and spies character A and character L having a good time.
After speaking to the resident male of the household, I'm feeling a little left out. Hellion, it's like we're living in the 1800's when women were sheltered from male social clubs and it was immoral and improper for "ladies" to go there because of our feminine sensibilities. It's not like we couldn't go to one and scope it out.
*crickets chirping*
Okay, okay, okay. I've been to one. Don't act like you're surprised.
Though, using my imagination for such scenes is so much more fun, and a lot cleaner in my mind. I have a pretty vivid imagination and I don't need more nightmares than I already have on rotation.
I've been planning a strip scene for Sadie for years now. I know- that statement smacks of plotting and I don't plot. Since Sadie lacks emotional intimacy and hates people invading her personal space, I thought it would be great to show Sadie you don't always get put into situations where your fears are easily avoided.
Sadie puts up with Ruiz being in her kitchen butt naked in the first book. She closes up when he kisses her and locks herself in her bedroom. Only because she's fearful of losing her ability to keep everyone shut out. She's afraid to care. But what happens if she's put into the situation she can't run from? She could run but if she does, she could lose the only lead she has on finding her half-sister. The main objective is to make it a "do or die" situation. And I do love writing those. Kiki sends Ash to keep an eye on her skittish cousin, Sadie, and there ends up being a whole lot there between them in this scene. Even though Ash swears there is nothing between them- he thinks she's a whole dose of annoying and too stubborn for her own good- he's drawn to her. In his character arc I'm hoping to make Ash sensitive to emotional change, and Sadie has a lot of emotional issues. Due to, well, a lot of emotional heartache in her past.
The reason for all of this is- I want to teach Sadie a lesson about herself. And in life, we often miss the point of those lessons on a daily basis. We forget to look inside ourselves for the answer and forget to grow from the experience, choosing instead to close it off and try to forget. Writing is about character growth and the ending. What happens along the way is just a part of the adventure. I want her to open herself up and I want her to grow. If she remains in her cocoon, she'll never have wings and that's one of life's biggest regrets. You can't be scared to stumble along the way.
So today let's discuss awkward moments and how your character(s) grow from such ordeals. If you don't write, tell us a little bit about a character in a book you've read that has gone through lots of awkward moments. What's your favorite?
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Sin, *looks at feet* our characters are supposed to grow? How come you didn't tell me this sooner?
Seein' The Proposal made me want ta cruise ta Alaska again. Sitka were a loverly place!
Awkward moments...uh...the pagan hokey pokey.
Ar, but that were me, not a character. Din't tell me nothin' 'bout meself other than I struggle wit' bein' silly. It were years ago and I might be able ta do it taday wit'out wantin' ta kill the one that starts it...
Maybe.
Me main character, Miranda, she don't do embarrassment... Always dignified in miraculous moments. Brought back to life, waitin' fer loved ones ta arrive, she falls asleep sprawled 'cross the lap a' her teacher, in the sun, butt in the air...
But watchin' her handle such moments with a total lack a modesty does teach 'er cousin 'bout loosening up 'is own life.
I should try a scene where a main character really feels the blush a' awkward moments...good idea fer an exercise, Sin...
Ya and the Cap'n ought to see the Chippendales, btw. I laughed ta the point a needin' ta pee...
In the last novel I read, the pretty young astronomer crosses a lake with her telescope, intending to climb the hill for a night observing the stars.
I thought I was in for a real treat but then she is caught in the woods by the owner who tells her to clear off. She is a stubborn lass however and persists until he lays hands on her to push her back to the shore.
Fatal move, for that makes the connection which earths the divine power. The sparks fly and they 'do it' in the woods. Lady scientist meets bad boy in titanic conflict.
Thats just the catalyst as well, and the chemistry rapidly grows out of control.
You won't find this stuff in any text book...pitty really! :?
Ah thanks for the music suggestion!
My current WIP is odd about character growth. The h/h were former spouses years before, but have both grown and changed drastically since then, to the point it's almost like getting to know 2 new people (with healthy doses of angst thrown in from old memories *g*). So they're constantly noticing how they've both changed, but it's all really change that happened prior to this book, rather than during it. The sequel I'm planning, though, the poor heroine has a *lot* of growing up to do, and I imagine it's going to be both awkward and painful :)
I love a strip scene for Sadie. Definitely do or die. I've never been to a strip club, but there's one near us in Delaware. The hubs keeps threatening to send me up there to make some cash on the side since I've been taking pole dancing classes. I haven't convinced him I've only learned to dance, not strip. I'd fall over if I tried to take my clothes off and spin at the same time!
Character growth? I don't think it's fair to ask my characters to grow and learn from experiences when I refuse to.
Excellent about the Vegas info. That'll be a nice scene.*grins*
Yeesh, Renee, you silly pirate, I know your characters grow!
MM, I wonder what it is about us ladies seeing strippers that makes us laugh? I swear, I don't know if I've laughed as much as the last time I saw a stripper. There is something ridiciously silly about the whole thing. And once I get giggly I can't stop.
I've always wanted to go to Alaska. I want to just be able to see it once with my own eyes.
Q, I agree. I think if you taught me about chemestry using demostrations of attraction, I think I could fathom to understand it.
Hellie, please, your characters grow. I mean, you come up with some of the craziest situations. You have to grow from that.
Hal,
Papercut Massacre was a find this week. I think they are a little soft for me. But that song, "Curse of the Broken Hearted" is really good. So are a few others, so it wasn't a total bunk buy. Got it off iTunes for a steal.
Only a DH would suggest that. Tell him to go out and get a job dancing. That's what I tell Mattycakes. Though, he would. LOL
Great blog Sin!
I haven't been to a strip club where women strip but I've been to one where men do. Very interesting people watching....
I just wrote my first sex scene in my WIP a few weeks ago (the first is the hardest I think) and I think I like it because my hero thinks it's just going to be about sex and then it's more than that. I always love when they think it's just going to be physical and it ends up being something emotionally satisfying too.
As for character growth, I think my characters grow. I hope my characters grow....
Sin, with you as my demonstrator, I reckon we could take academia by storm!
For the text book, I would write the text and you can do the pics. :lol:
Damn I really shouldn't be here now.
When the cat's away :wink:
*grin* Oh Q, I can't be tempted to doing picture often, but for you... anything.
Marn, people watching in the strip club? LOL
I agree about the first sex scene between the H/H because it's the one you have to get absolutely right and detailed and then the rest snowballs from there. I can remember the first time I wrote a sex scene and I was completely horrified after I read it. It's the most labor intensive part of writing, IMHO.
Stop worrying! Y'all need to stop being worrywarts. Of course your characters GROW! That's about taking them from the beginning and making it to the end.
My black pom poms worked?! Really? LOL! Huzzah for 500 words!!! I think my paper came in around 3700 and I'm proud to say, I got a PERFECT SCORE! WHOOT! Not bad for writing a 10 week paper in less than two days.
Now, to the strip club thing. I love that Hellie never asked me. I've actually been in a couple. That's right, just assume serious, straight-laced Terrio has never done this sort of thing.
*huff*
It's been almost 20 years since I was in one, but let me tell you, you see things in those joints that you never forget. *shivers*
I've seen the male revue too. (Is that how you spell that?) I'll never understand why women scream their fool heads off when a cutie-pie in a g-string shakes it. Men sit almost silently in strip clubs. Women flip the hell out. What's up with that?
Awkward moments. I've had more than I care to think about, but this is about the characters, right? Well, my poor heroine seems to find herself on her ass a lot from the second she meets the hero. She blames him everytime, but it's never really his fault which leads to lots of name calling. LOL! Luckily, attraction doesn't give a fig if you like each other or not.
Huzzuh!! Go Ter, go Ter, go Ter!! Congrats on your paper!!
The black pom-poms have special powers. If you click the my 500 words you can read a preview of what I wrote. I didn't write anything too exciting. In fact, I struggled and didn't end up writing anything for Sadie's first book, only a scene in her second book.
And I say women scream like fools because we know how to have a good time and like to show it. :)
You have to admit, there's some kind of irony in that grown women scream for Chippendales the way young girls scream for the Jonas Brothers. LOL!
How's that for an odd comparison?
I just snorted Starbucks out my nose.
Somehow I can't visualise Terri sitting silently in a strip joint! *grin*
I did once visit the 'Raymond Revue Bar' in London, near Piccadilly Circus. I was an undergraduate at the time and it was an end of term celebration. Now you mention it Terri, the men were mostly silent as I remember.
The girls dancing were all very beautiful and did indeed remove everything, as far as I could see.
We were students on a binge though, so silence was not maintained!
I vaguely remember being ejected by a man who looked HUGE and meaner than Giant Haystacks (English wrestler)
Never been there again!
If your strippers were beautiful, Q, then you're a step up on my experience. This was a tiny steel mill town in West Virginia. Yeah, that bad. Now you understand the shivers. One woman sat on one of those banquet style metal chairs and proceeded to put her feet behind her head. I'm pretty sure I saw her spleen.
I love the "as far as I could see" bit. LOL! I'm sure you cleaned your glasses to a pristine condition that night. ;)
Sin - LOVE your 500 words. LOL! I did a shot of 18 yr old scotch once, and had the same reaction Sadie has in that piece. Throw in some face tingles and it's the exact same. LOL!
And you gave the poor girl a room full of mirrors. Oh, how mean. LOL!
Yeah, I can't say that I've been to a club where the girls were beautiful. I can't really say I want to ever go back to one either. LOL
Sometimes it's fun to remember those old memories of the first time for everything.
I was thinking about how horrified I'd be if I was in a room full of mirrors and how traumatizing that would be for Sadie, who's been in solitude for 10 years of her life. I thought it was the perfect growth opportunity. She's gotta come out sometime. LOL
Speaking of character awkward moments, I'm thinking SEP is the master of this. I haven't read it, but didn't she have one book open with the heroine meeting the hero while wearing a beever suit? LOL!
But I have to admit, if the situation is too embarrassing, I almost can't read it. Same thing in movies. I cringe too much. I think it's too many flashbacks to the bone head moments I've experienced.
I know. I remember all the crazy, idiotic, bonehead moments in my life and I have enough to recreate into a book all by themselves. For me, its a part of the fun to write something into a story that's happened, but you're writing it an entirely different way. Like writing a conversation and you finally get to say the comeback you wish you had the first time around. LOL
I've not read SEP (yes, I know I just heard the entire blog suck in a deep breath) but I hear nothing but great things about her work. I think there were some great awkward moments in "Bet Me" (Jennifer Crusie). Especially since the H/H couldn't stand each other.
All right, so they grow, maybe, just a little.
Awkward moment-in my current wip, a western, my heroine is standing in church before a congregation that has judged her harshly and thinks little of her. But she has been asked to sing a solo by the minister (no! it's not an inspirational;).
Anyway, she's nervous because these people don't like her. So she opens up the hymnal to sing Amazing Grace, when in walks this hunk of a god that makes her knees go all jiggly wiggly. He also happens to be the very man she shot at while robbing a train. Ooops! So all she can say is 'Sweet Jesus' which gets everybody's attention, including his.
I love tormenting my characters.
Omigosh! Even when I was singing there is no way I could've sang a solo in front of the entire congregation. But that is an awesome entrance for a hunky sex god hero.
Renee! You are SO awful! I love it!
Renee - You're doing it again. I've already complained in your blog. LOL! You can't drop these hints, it's just cruel!
I haven't written enough for anyone to grow, including me. But that's actually one thing I worry about most. The two things I want to do is *show* my characters falling in love and *show* them growing as characters. The good thing is, I feel a bit better now about knowing how to do that than I did a year ago. :)
Terri, I think that would make a wonderful research paper. I never thought of difference. Odd, though that men get excited when men get physical, like with football. You don't see them sitting quietly then.
I've never been to a strip club. But I've had a few stay with me when they had no place to go. Come to think of it, my ex-sil was a stripper. I think we (me) have this preconceived notion that because they're strippers, they're beautiful goddesses. Well all the ones I've met are pretty strung out, I think the term is 'rode hard and put away wet'.
LOL! That's a perfect description. My cousin (three of them actually) was a stripper and I was her driver. The club was too far from the house to make it reasonable for me to go back home and return around 2am. So I stayed. Six hours in a strip joint will pretty much desensitize you pretty fast. LOL!
And that is so true. Guys go nuts for sports, and sit silently for strippers. But then, they're not really fantasizing about football, even if they have created fantasy leagues for it. ;)
Sin, I know, and I love every bit of it. I sang once in front of the congregation. My eyes were closed the entire time, and I do believe I vomited afterward. :)
Terri, squeee! you get to start writing don't you? Yay, and you'll do wonderful. Are you going to D.C.? I think you said you were. Just checking. Thank you for complaining on my blog, I was surprised and had to go back and see what you and Bryn were talking about. *rolls eyes* I'm such a ditz at times.
I sang in front of a full church once, but I was one of three singing, so no solos. But then I've talked in front of 10,000 so no biggie.
Yes, I'm diving right in! Have to finish one report for my business simulation - team effort and I agreed to be the writing and put together everyone's ideas. Go figure. Then on final and I'm back into fiction. Whoot!
Yep, I'm going to DC. Are you?! (please, please, please)
Yep! I'll be there.
YAY!!! I'll email you my cell. You HAVE to find me!
That joint sounds awful Terri!
My experience was more of a 'dance spectacular'. It was a fairly large stage with a troupe of dancers.I imagine they would have been professionals starting out on a career.
A couple of solo artists did the striptease in a very artistic manner.
I recall that we students managed to attract the attention of one of the dancers. She smiled and waved at us and when finishing her routine she threw a garter to us.
Thats when the bouncers descended!
Just hope we didn't cause trouble for her.
I rather fancy that Sadie might be a dancer at some stage. It would fit the image that I'm getting. :D
I'd love that, Terri!
Wouldn't that be a Burlesque type of a club, Q?
And the only reason that Sadie is posing as a stripper because she finds out her younger sister, Lexi, has been leading a double life and has to go undercover to find her.
Sorry, that's "wear" not "where"--I'm having homonym problems today.
Actually Ter, considering some of your responses and the occasional escapade story, I don't find you that straight-laced. *LOL*
I'm the one from the Puritan family, not you.
Burlesque club? Is that the one where the girls where cute outfits and dance-dance? (A higher quality strip scene, like The Pussycat Dolls or something.)
I'm not really sure Sin. There was some cabaret, but its the beautiful dancers that I remember well!
Couldn't Sadie find that she liked the dance role, even though that was not her primary objective?
I've noticed men don't seem to whoop if you start taking off clothes. A sort of grinning version of "deer caught in headlights". My theory is that they figure if they say something, we'll stop doing it--and you don't want to interrupt the possible viewing of naked boobies.
I figure they don't talk or whoop because it's the smart thing to do and they figure if they keep quiet, you'll have forgotten they're watching and remove more clothing.
The reality is it's probable that all the blood that was in the brain, making speech possible, lurched south and is now unable to make the former happen.
But I'm clearly not a scientist. Q? Your thoughts?
Q, you're really reaching for this aren't you? Bless your heart.
*LOL* I noticed that too.
Is that a universal dream of men's? That women happily remove their clothing with confidence and joi-blah-blah (whatever that french term is for "love of life")? Cause it doesn't really happen. We think too much, usually about the wrong things.
Wait, that's joie de vivre. Missed one letter, sorry. :)
I was thinking that same thing about not being able to think with one head once the other has been activated. LOL!
I think that's joie de vive!
It's really intimidating to get undressed in front of people you don't know. People who do have balls. Giant balls. I can't do it. I've done some crazy stuff in my life, but I couldn't do this. Not even for the right amount of money.
Sadie thinks about taking a bleach bath after she finds Lexi. I doubt she's going to grow into the role of stripper. But Q, if it makes you happy, imagine away babycakes.
Q wins points for persistence and imagination.
Really, no idea why women find it all hilarious. I think we be more social than men when it comes ta appreciatin' naked.
The best thing I noticed? How when men strip fer women, it becomes a story...a scene. Not just men grindin' their hips and pullin' the clothes off. When women strip fer men? The story is all in the eyes a' the men watchin'. I bet that is scary...
I think it's easier for women to appreciate the situation because we can imagine if it were us that we'd be uncomfortable (at least the majority of us would be) and find it's easier to accept and appreciate.
Q does win in that respect.
I don't think there's any doubt that men are appreciating the woman taking off her clothes. The way I've seen women scream and paw and be absolute fools, I'd never believe they are considering the guys feelings at all.
All their considering is what they can cop a feel of. Seriously, this entire room of women were acting like idiots. I just never get it. Laughing and having a good time is one thing, acting like starving dogs handed a side of beef is another.
Then again, it's a sad fact women so rarely see a really nice side of beef.
You mean eye candy that's touchable instead of eye candy like on Sundays? Yeah, eye candy of that nature is very rare in every day life.
Which isn't fair. I see beautiful women all the time. Women who can make a man stop and his jaw drop. I ALMOST NEVER see a guy that would make my jaw drop. And I live in a military town. They should be every where! LOL!
Totally not fair....
See, I've been to an all male revue and I was not impressed. And it wasn't that the guys weren't pretty to look at--they were--guys are almost always good to look at.
But mostly I was turned off by the fact that the women acted like a bunch of lunatics--screaming, hollering, ripping at men's g-strings--Holy Mother of God, if a bunch of men did that a strip joint, they'd be flung out on their asses.
Then the guys we were to look at were fake-baked, overly waxed fellows covered in baby oil, strutting around in gold thongs. Really, guys, that is NOT your best look. Then they'd rub up on you and push your head down to their crotch...and the women would whoop and holler as if this were big fun--and I just wanted a shower.
So I see the draw of ONE naked good-looking man, flashing his goods and a wicked grin--but I do not see the draw in a packed of greased up, hairless posers...
What I also find funny is that the women who go the most wild at these things are the ones who are the most insanely jealous if their own hubbies were at a strip joint. I was with an individual who would have SKINNED her husband and the stripper if they were caught, but who I saw stuffing dollar bills down the front of one of the greased fellow's g-string. *shakes head*
So one revue was plenty. If I want to see a naked guy, I'm pretty sure I'd only have to ask. I find men can be pretty accommodating if you ask nicely. And if they think they're going to see your boobies in return.
Terr, you should come to my town. College boys. Most of them pretty ripped.
They'd probably be too scrawny for you. Though I imagine some of the football team might make the cut. *LOL*
Never mind the fact they're like 15 years younger--they still look good.
I love football players. LOL! And 22 is legal, right? Tell me you mean 15 years younger than me and not younger than you. LOL!
Than you. I would say they average between 20-22. All those ages are legal. *LOL*
What you describe is exactly what I saw. And that's true that most men will pretty much strip with little incentive. You don't even have to have dollars.
Gold g-strings? That's just wrong.
G-strings are wrong on most levels.
I agree. G-strings are just wrong and a torture device.
I'm hoping at least one of my characters *grows* -my hero that is! LOL - Sorry couldn't pass that one up!
I guess I should admit that I have been to a stip club and also to a topless revue in Veags and both were awesome people watching opportunities. Especially to watch couples - I've noticed the women always seem much more relaxed and cool about the whole thing and men look embarrassed.
For books with akward moments that bring character development, I do love Jennifer Cruise since she's freakin hiliarous in those akward moments. They are what she does best!
LOL Sabrina! You fit in so well on this ship!
I would imagine going to a club with your significant other can either be a great chance to get closer to your partner and make them feel like there is nothing they have to hide from you, or be so ridiculously uncomfortable that you can't speak to one another for a week without blushing bright red.
That something I'd like to do, actually. If I ever date a guy again. LOL! I'd love to go to a strip club together. He's not getting any lap dances, don't get me wrong, but just as observers, I could do that.
Sabrina - Very good point, dear. How could we forget the importance of raising the sails?
I had to do some work for a while there and get back to find my name being taken in vain. *grin*
Where to start!?
Sin said: Q, you’re really reaching for this aren’t you? Bless your heart.
I meant that Sadie might develop a love of dance while doing the sleazy undercover stuff. That could lead to all sorts of places plot-wise. Personally I love to watch ballet for preference but some modern dance is OK as well.Please don't drop her in the bleach bath. She can find romance if only she looks harder!
No-one ever called me babycakes before....luvs yah! :lol:
Helli said: But I’m clearly not a scientist. Q? Your thoughts?
I think some ladies have very fertile imaginations! Essential prerequisite for a good romance writer I guess.
I have no experience of men watching striptease (except that once...which was a student jape!) In science, interpolation is a reasonable way to approximate but extrapolating from a small sample can give wildly erroneous results. Not that I'm saying you are necessarily wrong of course. :wink:
Terri said: Q wins points for persistence and imagination.
Not sure that we are on the same wavelength here, but I'll take a complement wherever I can get one! *grin*
Helli said: G-strings are wrong on most levels
Only on one level surely. :?
"In science, interpolation is a reasonable way to approximate but extrapolating from a small sample can give wildly erroneous results."
I'm not sure what Q just said, but I'm GUESSING he's saying making bold statements from "one experience" is gross scientific method practices.
Normally I would agree. After all, there was that famous incident where Tiffany said she wouldn't date any more short guys because short guys had small--*coughs*--and we asked her how many short guys she'd dated and she said, "One."
We mocked her mercilessly, but Terri came back and said she was right. *LOL*
PS. Congrats, you are now my babycakes. Not to be confused with the undead monkey, Mattycakes.
Q, you actually had to do work? My hats off to you, my English devil, because I don't believe in working while at work. LOL
And you know you like hearing your name over and over again. It's like a sport for you.
I really wish it had been YOU who did that back up fact checking. *sigh* But she was totally right.
Wait.
What are we considering short because I might have to weigh in on this debate.
5'6? 5'7?
Sin - Think "pencil". But one of those short onces that has been sharpened A LOT.
This blog has totally gone south.
Sorry, I just realized what she meant by short.
ROFLMAO!!!
And it was 5'6" (on a good day.)
It was 5'6" and it was a good day? Lord, I feel faint.
*laughing*
*biting lip*
Omigod.
LMFAO
I can't believe you just explained that to me. I snorted so hard my gum stuck to my computer screen. LMFAO
Sabrina, we're always on the brink of southward dear. LOL
And maybe he was really good with it and you just didn't have a chance to find out.
I think I pointed the ship south with my mind in the gutter comment!
Q will not return now, you realize that. *LOL*
I always laugh at male comedians who say women are 10 times worse with locker talk than men are because they're totally right.
I was thinking my height is short for a guy.
5'6" is way way way too short for me. For one, he'd be at the perfect height for using the excuse to stare at the ta-tas all the time we're together.
Throwing my personal research into the equation...
Hmm...This might be TMI but...I'm 5'4 hubby is 5'7 and we're a perfect fit - and no, it's not short. Even though his is on the shorter side for a man.
Hellie, I know. Mr. Q has probably run screaming from the blog now. LOL
Sabrina, personally, I think it matters whether he's willing to learn to work with what he's got. They don't have to be obcenely large to be good in bed. Now, with that being said, it's always nice though. :)
I honestly wouldn't blame him. *LOL* I'm almost ready to run away from the blog. *LOL*
I'm blushing like a virgin today. This is getting ridiculous. *fans face* Maybe it's a hot flash.
I agree it's more about knowing WHAT you're doing than the other. And being confident enough in what you're doing to make the other person (that'd be me) relaxed and glad to play along rather than paranoid, freaked out, and thinking about laundry.
And I agree with the "how to use it" assessment. I've had the oposite end of the spectrum and having all that girth can be a waste if you don't know what to do with it.
Sin - The only saving grace was his talent as a facegod. What can I say, the man knew his shortcomings.
*waits for Hellie to smack her*
Never underestimate a facegod's abilities.
Hellion, EVEN I'm blushing a bit today. Yeesh. We're out of control.
Imagine if we all ever get in the same room! LOL! Gah, that would be AWESOME.
Not that I would say anything untoward....
Bwahahahahahaha.......
Not that I don't love when we get a little outside the lines. Always makes for an interesting day.
*snorts soda at "a man who knew his shortcomings"* Geez, Terri, warn a pirate first!
*sighs* Facegods rule.
I imagine it would be a lot more towards the opposite side of the spectrum from being in nighties and pillow fighting and more about talking about awkward sex stories and being completely wild.
Sorry, Hellsie.
Don't forget the rum.
Yes, facegods rule.
Shhhh, Sin, men don't know that the nightie dress up and pillow fights don't happen. It DEPRESSES them when we hint that it's not true.
NEVER forget the rum. That's the first rule, really.
Oh, I forgot.
Yes, of course, we dress up in our finest bras and undies (see-through lace) and playfully tag each other with soft feathery pillows until we fall to the floor in a graceful tangle.
*eye roll* That's obviously what we do.
Then we practice our French kissing on each other. Don't forget that. *eye roll*
And now I know we've run everyone else off. LOL
Jeez, I completely forgot. I should get extra spankings for that.
You mentioned spankings. Now I've got Monty Python in my head. *LOL*
LMAO. Oh dear Hellion, how did this all get so twisted up? I only had good intentions this morning. LOL
Well, you asked us to talk about character growth...and I think the character growth got confused with other kinds of growth.
We confuse easily on the ship and get distracted as cats.
ROTFL - thanks for a fun day! I'll keep my answer on topic tomorrow!
Yes, yes, well the descriptional verbal diagram Ter drew for me didn't help much either. LOL
That's true. I think we should blame Terri. *LOL*
Sabrina, I'm glad we could make you laugh; and I'm really glad you and Sin were inspired to write--and complete the 500 word challenge.
Although I'm a little put out that Sin only completed hers because I threatened to squat in her house and not leave until she'd done so. Honestly. Where's the love?
Never mind her comments about my DRIVING. Which a certain someone agreed with when I told him, piping up with, "You're a lunatic." I have never gotten us in an accident. I don't know what he's whining about.
What a riot!!!!
I couldn't possibly comment further. :oops:
So here's a toast to the gorgeous pirates of romance land.
May your guys be tall (except Sabrina :? ) and your pillow fights friendly.
May your thoughts be wholesome with wit aplenty.
May your books get written and your blogs stay witty.
May Sin get her spanking and Helli her kissy
Whatever happens I luvs yah all
You're a hell of a bunch!
Bottoms up and down the hatch!
I love when Q toasts us! *kiss* There, I've got my kissy! Bottoms up! No, Sin, that's not a cue for you to bend over so Q can give your spanking! Where's the rum?
"you drive like the Mad Hatter"--BTW, did you know that Johnny Depp is playing the Mad Hatter in Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland?
Shouldn't be a surprise because JD and TB are like BFFs and practically shop at Walmart together
But... Hellie... He said...
*grin*
A toast to Q, who's not only the bravest man I know for even coming back, for toasting us as well!
I did know that he was playing the Mad Hatter. I saw the pic of him on MSN yesterday. He looks like a Mad Hatter. It's those freaky eyes of his.
Although, it is true that I don't want you squatting in my house, I didn't just complete the challenge because of you. I practically got DARED, and everyone knows I don't back down. I've even squared my shoulders and put my head down to the challenge of the end of the year to be finished with book 1.
And I'm a little misty that Q luvs us so very much. It's darling in fact.
If you're really quiet I can sneak the good rum from behind MM's bar. She'll never notice. *grin*
*hopping behind the bar* Now, where is that key..
I knew I shoulda stuck around...
Here's ta the newest drink... The Facegod!
*grin* I'll have a Facegod. Pronto.
Comin' up... I found a new set a glasses fer this one... Bet ya never seen a tongue shaped glass afore!
O.M.G.
Omigod.
*laughing hysterically* This is the best day ever!
I won't open the discussion up ta facegods with beards... 'kay?
;)
I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.
*raising glass for Q's toast*
Here Here!
I'll take the blame, but Sabrina's the one who started it. I'm honest to a fault and don't have a shy bone (don't go there) in my body. What's a girl to do?
Does that Facegod come in a double shot?
Terrio - the Facegod comes in any size ya want. Comin' up...a Facegod with double face.
I like beards! I gots ta send ya the shot 'a me and DH at the pirate festival...
*biting lip* The Bearded Facegod...
Omigod.
Sounds kind of like the Bearded Dragon.
*snort*
Chance - Ya sent me that already and if it's all the same to you, I'd rather NOT think of yer DH and a facegod in the same thought. THANKS!
'Kay, I'll save that thought fer me...
Jus' fer me... A Bearded Facegod comin' up!
I knew you guys had to have had one helluva day when I saw 125 comments!!!! I was blushing through the last half of them. Hilarious!
Holy day! Was there an entire section in here about male endowment? I'm scandalized.
Almost.
:)
Marn - You're just upset you missed it. LOL!
I'm hitting the hammock. Y'all have worn me out!
Irish- yeah, we kinda got out of control. Just another day on the ship. LOL
I agree. I'm worn slick after all this facegod talk. Good thing the DH is home now. *grin*
*cackling*
hahaha
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