tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post7960776399549862606..comments2023-05-24T08:06:43.882-04:00Comments on Romance Writer's Revenge: The Tale of Two HeroesTerri Osburnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17176989488447450585noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-36475861608971732352012-06-15T17:25:06.703-04:002012-06-15T17:25:06.703-04:00Loyalty is one of my things. Even more than honest...Loyalty is one of my things. Even more than honesty. <br /><br />I do agree that there is something likable about everyone...to somebody. *LOL* That also explains House perfectly. SOME people find him likable. Just not everybody.Hellie Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03933713255844695337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-23829466549432645812012-06-15T16:43:20.667-04:002012-06-15T16:43:20.667-04:00Well, I don't claim to like everyone. Though I...Well, I don't claim to like everyone. Though I do think that is something likable about everyone. To someone.<br /><br />But yeah, totally jibe with you in that when these characters are loyal to someone, they are steadfast to the 12th degree. Makes you want to be one of their friends and to reciprocate!Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01517092592545660754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-58944957682643127052012-06-15T15:30:33.177-04:002012-06-15T15:30:33.177-04:00I think the appeal for me of the snarky, asshole i...<i>I think the appeal for me of the snarky, asshole is that often they are fiercely loyal to what few friends they do have. They may not give a rat's butt about anyone else, but they'll descend into hell for a friend. It appeals to my fangirlishness; the idea that I could occupy the exalted spot of friend in Mr. Snarky's universe.<br /><br />Goes back to my fondness for anti-hero, I guess. I just don't trust people who claim to like everybody.</i><br /><br />OMG, YES! *LOL* That's it!Hellie Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03933713255844695337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-5244237810535566302012-06-15T15:22:32.719-04:002012-06-15T15:22:32.719-04:00I'm the wolf that eventually ate Thumper. *Cho...I'm the wolf that eventually ate Thumper. *Chomp!*<br /><br />I review every book I read unless...it's written by a friend or published by one of my two publishers AND I hated it. Otherwise, they're all fair game. I'm sure karma has bitten me in the ass a few times, but heck, I'd rather get a bad review than no review at all.<br /><br />I think the appeal for me of the snarky, asshole is that often they are fiercely loyal to what few friends they do have. They may not give a rat's butt about anyone else, but they'll descend into hell for a friend. It appeals to my fangirlishness; the idea that I could occupy the exalted spot of friend in Mr. Snarky's universe.<br /><br />Goes back to my fondness for anti-hero, I guess. I just don't trust people who claim to like everybody.P. Kirbyhttp://www.patriciakirby.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-4395706123883289822012-06-15T14:08:51.750-04:002012-06-15T14:08:51.750-04:00I believe in Thumper. :) It's why I don't ...I believe in Thumper. :) It's why I don't review every book I read. My opinion doesn't count for everything, as it were. <br /><br />But if you ASK for my opinion--and see I think a lot of the problem is they ask for House's opinion. The sarcastic tone is just complimentary with the service.Hellie Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03933713255844695337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-21913268527138188752012-06-15T14:05:29.936-04:002012-06-15T14:05:29.936-04:00Hels, I am of the school that being kinder isn'...Hels, I am of the school that being kinder isn't akin to being dishonest. That one can be honest and sincere and kind...and if the people you're dealing with are going to take offense no matter how or what you say? Then go with the advice of Thumper's Mom.<br /><br />"If you can't say something nice don't say nothing at all."Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01517092592545660754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-83768616802093804422012-06-15T14:03:49.965-04:002012-06-15T14:03:49.965-04:00I think you hit the nail on the head, Pat. I find ...I think you hit the nail on the head, Pat. I find Cal more interesting to read about, to watch...now, if I were sitting next to him at a dinner table...not so sure I wouldn't prefer Jane. Simply for the peaceful rational.<br /><br />Watching Jane on TV, I know this character is much deeper than they allow him to be played. I know he'd wounded, he's angry, he cares a great deal about his co-workers... It's all hidden quite well behind a facade of selfishishness coated with a sweet layer of charm... I guess it's that he isn't authentic and though my female nature knows there is more to it...I don't trust him.<br /><br />Cal, and House and Goren...they'd all be easier to trust.Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01517092592545660754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-35264770325014265652012-06-15T12:14:21.034-04:002012-06-15T12:14:21.034-04:00Yes! Another person who thinks House is funny. *LO...Yes! Another person who thinks House is funny. *LOL* Though I agree: this person would get tiresome in real life in large doses, but I adore them in fiction. <br /><br />(I do find the unfailing polite "fuck you" Southern behavior--when in fiction and not done to be me personally--to be funny to read and see. It's an artform.) But honestly I would prefer people would just be a little nicer--and I don't equate courtesy with necessarily being nice. They can co-exist and some people do it, but there are some that are fakely polite--and they ruin it for everyone. *LOL* It's all about image and shallow. <br /><br />Nice people sincerely care about you--and that should be nurtured.<br /><br />House knows he's a jackass--but as was pointed out earlier, he knows it and he does it on purpose to keep people away. He doesn't mean it personally, I don't think. He's just a bit emotionally stunted. I can handle that. *LOL*Hellie Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03933713255844695337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-74042801482560863902012-06-15T12:08:47.024-04:002012-06-15T12:08:47.024-04:00I've watched a bit of House, here and there. S...I've watched a bit of House, here and there. Saw a few episodes of Lie to Me, and a few minutes of The Mentalist. So, not a loyal viewer of any of those shows.<br /><br />But...I preferred Cal (Lie to Me) to Jane (The Mentalist). I liked Cal's snarky wit (so did my husband) and Jane just seemed rather...bland. Bland pretty boy all around. House is hilarious. I don't watch the show because I get bored with the "mysterious deadly disease of the week" plotline.<br /><br />I like my jerks acerbically funny. Captain Mal from Firefly/Serenity doesn't spare his opinion, but there's always an underlying sense of humor, even self-deprecation. The character archetype works for me because they express all the ugly truths "nice" people are thinking. No, I wouldn't necessarily want this type of person in my life, all the time, even if they looked like Captain Mal, but in fiction, oh, Daddy, I love 'em.<br /><br />My grandmother was a southerner--Tennessee. And she could wield southern politeness in manner that just screamed, "F*ck you," without ever uttering a profanity.P. Kirbyhttp://www.patriciakirby.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-73232449275941035522012-06-15T11:29:03.500-04:002012-06-15T11:29:03.500-04:00Yeah, but when Brenda says it will great sincerity...Yeah, but when Brenda says it will great sincerity and politeness! And in code!<br /><br />And the shows are all playing up stereotypes, it's the only way to make sure the greater unwashed audience gets it.<br /><br />In regards to Brenda, there was evidently a great deal of nuances going on with the 'thank yous' that only another southern woman would pick up on...did make you wonder what she was really saying everytime she said it though!<br /><br />Quite amusing, really!Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01517092592545660754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-55099614746242323532012-06-15T11:20:21.086-04:002012-06-15T11:20:21.086-04:00So if a New Yorker says, "Fuck you" it&#...So if a New Yorker says, "Fuck you" it's okay because at least he's being honest about it? That doesn't make sense to me. I'd say The Closer was playing up a stereotype that doesn't hold true in most cases.Terri Osburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17176989488447450585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-3386087384135039722012-06-15T11:18:16.112-04:002012-06-15T11:18:16.112-04:00That should be "...it's the OPPOSITE.&quo...That should be "...it's the OPPOSITE." *sigh* I can type today.Terri Osburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17176989488447450585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-48525740780401747832012-06-15T11:17:40.868-04:002012-06-15T11:17:40.868-04:00I'm all for courtesy, but I do find some of th...I'm all for courtesy, but I do find some of the southern mannerisms two-faced. I loved on how the Closer Brenda had to question two Southern ladies, one of which told a different detective that all those 'thank you very muches' were actually souther code for 'fuck you.'<br /><br />Initially, I'm all for courtesy and politeness, but it has to be balanced by honesty. I do think it's a fine line sometimes...<br /><br />I've been enjoying Longmire!Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01517092592545660754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-28020780210632678252012-06-15T11:17:39.278-04:002012-06-15T11:17:39.278-04:00North, south, east or west, insincerity comes acro...North, south, east or west, insincerity comes across the same. Being fake (and that's usually obvious) has nothing to do with where you're from. The people in the south are friendlier, in my opinion. But after living in the south long enough, I figured out that Northerners aren't rude, they're simply not interested in your business.<br /><br />In the south, it's the obvious. They like to be all up in your business. LOL! It's just different mindsets. Think about it, most countries in the world are the size of our states. Comparing Massachusetts to Alabama is like comparing Norway to Nicaragua.Terri Osburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17176989488447450585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-15215426569958413042012-06-15T11:08:25.968-04:002012-06-15T11:08:25.968-04:00See, I'm even from the South--and I think of c...See, I'm even from the South--and I think of courtesies a lot of the time as hypocritical. I think it depends on who they are coming from though. I get where the friend would say that. *LOL* Bless her heart.Hellie Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03933713255844695337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-86009057291770574792012-06-15T11:07:13.699-04:002012-06-15T11:07:13.699-04:00I usually say what I'm thinking, but not alway...I usually say what I'm thinking, but not always. I have job security to think about. And I guess my wish is for a nicer world. LOL!<br /><br />But speaking of good television with an interesting hero, y'all need to check out Longmire on A&E. The pilot was excellent and it's based on a series of books.Terri Osburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17176989488447450585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-18818242466124302392012-06-15T11:06:51.617-04:002012-06-15T11:06:51.617-04:00I'm not a TV watcher, and House is the only ch...I'm not a TV watcher, and House is the only character mentioned that I've ever seen--and only a handful of times there. But I don't like abrasive personalities. <br /><br />I'm with Ter on honesty. I don't see it as a free pass to be rude. Perceptions differ. I once had a standing argument with a friend from Philadelphia who saw Southern manners as hypocritical. Bless her heart. What I thought of as the courtesies my mother reared me to practice, she saw as fake. Different points of view.Jangahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15128188159653860806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-82134819465668361632012-06-15T11:06:00.089-04:002012-06-15T11:06:00.089-04:00Well, Ter, it's not like they are being really...Well, Ter, it's not like they are being really obnoxious and it's right up front that, for example, Cal has a job to do and this is how he does it. He isn't going to hold you hand and speak soothingly to you while serriptiously taking your pulse to see if you're lying to him. One of Jane's favorite techniques.<br /><br />They are sorta like the good cop/bad cop pair.<br /><br />House was too often over the edge for me. Cal? He skirted it. Goren would play dumb and that was the only thing I didn't like about him.<br /><br />Honesty, in this case, doesn't hinge on being rude, but it does hinge of provoking a reaction. The techniques that Cal uses requres a reaction, it's scientific. He isn't rude for kicks. Because yeah, I'm totally with you on the whole 'if I'm honest I have a pass to be rude' thing. House does it to the point of disliking him and wanting you to dislike him.<br /><br />If your company hired Cal to discover who was leaking secrets to your competitor, you'd know he was coming in to unearth a liar. It's more a professional technique than a personality trait...Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01517092592545660754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-50488513987039747482012-06-15T10:58:44.806-04:002012-06-15T10:58:44.806-04:00It's a wish fulfillment. Isn't a lot of TV...It's a wish fulfillment. Isn't a lot of TV wish fulfillment?Hellie Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03933713255844695337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-68293439856143891882012-06-15T10:57:58.018-04:002012-06-15T10:57:58.018-04:00And again, I say, I like these characters because ...And again, I say, I like these characters because I'm living vicariously through them. They're doing things I couldn't get away with. They're saying things I wish I could say. It's vicarious thing. I already know how to be polite, even if I don't want to be. I find it more of an annoyance than anything because I know both me and the person I'm being polite to (who is being an idiot and doesn't deserve it) I don't like them. *LOL* I just *wish* I could say so, like an obnoxious 3 year old that says whatever he wants.Hellie Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03933713255844695337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-53665348594742759362012-06-15T10:52:40.114-04:002012-06-15T10:52:40.114-04:00And that's the one L&O I could never watch...And that's the one L&O I could never watch. That character is just off-putting for me.Terri Osburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17176989488447450585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-5599167548557851072012-06-15T10:52:15.708-04:002012-06-15T10:52:15.708-04:00See, I don't get how being "honest" ...See, I don't get how being "honest" gives a free pass to be rude. That just annoys me. I get that he needed to get in people's faces to do his job, but the way you describe it, both men are doing their jobs. Just differently.<br /><br />One just sounds like a jerk to me and I don't care how "honest" that seems, it's still annoying.Terri Osburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17176989488447450585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-20698182129902004062012-06-15T10:51:24.622-04:002012-06-15T10:51:24.622-04:00See, I think you and I agree on that core differen...See, I think you and I agree on that core difference of honesty. *LOL* I'd rather know you didn't like me than you were playing me.Hellie Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03933713255844695337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-11565828861036507182012-06-15T10:46:42.271-04:002012-06-15T10:46:42.271-04:00Hel, good parallel! Cal is a lot like Goren. But G...Hel, good parallel! Cal is a lot like Goren. But Goren often put on a sort of Columbo thing, where it might seem he was being stupid with the 'in your face stuff'. I don't think I ever saw Cal ever put on stupid.<br /><br />I did love how fast and witty House was, when he wasn't being so cynical he was pure poison. I didn't even watch the last season, just got too ugly for me.<br /><br />With Cal and Jane... Jane is, at heart, a con man and as such used charm. Cal, at heart, is a scientist and when on the job, charm doesn't provoke the reactions he needs.<br /><br />What was interesting about these two shows is how the husband and I so disagree on the value of each character!Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01517092592545660754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-416913236621309814.post-62846403106562466862012-06-15T10:40:45.758-04:002012-06-15T10:40:45.758-04:00Terri - For those who work with Jane, his assholer...Terri - For those who work with Jane, his assholery is there. And the people involved with the case often find themselves thinking he's a total asshole at some point in the show...<br /><br />I did find House too abrasive and just mean for the sake of being mean. Cal? Well, he appeared hyper and put people off because of how close he examined them... Too really see the subtle clues a person gives off, he had to sometimes be inches from their face...<br /><br />Joe wasn't oozing charm, but he wasn't impolite... A bit distant, but gods, aren't all men!?Maureenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01517092592545660754noreply@blogger.com